Episode 144
Celebrities Using Their Influence For Climate Action?
Episode Summary: Tune in with hosts Leekei, Jenn, and Kristina as they discuss the game-changing potential of celebrities championing climate action.
Valérie Masson-Delmotte, a renowned French climate scientist and IPCC report author, proposes that soccer star Kylian Mbappé could be an ideal spokesperson for climate causes.
The episode also examines various celebrities who have engaged in social causes, the mixed reactions they receive, and how some of these efforts risk being labeled as greenwashing due to misunderstandings or lack of knowledge
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Featuring Carbon Almanac Contributors Leekei Tang and Jenn Swanson.
Leekei is a fashion business founder, a business coach, an international development expert and podcaster from Paris, France.
From Langley in British Columbia, Canada, Jenn is a Minister, Coach, Writer and community Connector, helping people help themselves.
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The CarbonSessions Podcast is produced and edited by Leekei Tang, Steve Heatherington and Rob Slater.
Transcript
Hi, I'm Christina.
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:I'm from Prague.
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:Hi, I'm Jen, and I'm from Canada.
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:Hi, I'm Oladunji, and I'm from Nigeria.
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:Hello, I'm Liki, and I live in Paris.
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:Hi, I'm Brian, and I'm from New York.
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:Welcome to Carbon Sessions, a podcast with
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:everyone, from everywhere in the world.
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:Hi, this is Christina.
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:Hi, this is Jen.
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:Hi, and I'm Liki.
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:How are you today?
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:Great.
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:Great.
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:Yes.
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:. . When I was researching for this
conversation, , it reminded me of
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:something that I've read last year.
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:And, um, this is, um, a French
climate scientist, which is also
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:an co-author of the IPCC report.
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:, her name is Vale Masson Delma, and
she said something very interesting.
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:She said that Ian and
Bape would make an accent.
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:ambassador , for climate change.
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:I don't know if you know
who Kylian Mbappe is.
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:He's one of the most talented and
one of the most admired soccer
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:player in France these days.
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:And his words are like,
wow, he's worth it.
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:Everybody listens to him.
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:He's very, very talented.
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:He also have a , big following.
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:Like, for example, I just give you a, um,
an illustration of that is that, , last
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:weekend there was, um, MMA fight And he
attended this fight and actually the
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:fighters that he was swallowing the French
fighter who was swallowing won, but the
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:press is talking a lot about the fighter
that won, but as well a lot about Killian
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:Mbappé because he attending this fight.
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:So just to give you an idea of , his
aura and his, um, power , in the media.
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:And so Valerie Masson Delmotte said
that, yeah, he would make an excellent
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:ambassador for climate change.
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:And then I thought, wow, that's a
brilliant idea because, , If you're a
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:celebrity, and I'm not talking about,
uh, I'm not necessarily talking about
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:climate influencers, but I'm talking
about a celebrity who has a big following,
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:whose words count in the public sphere.
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:What if, if a celebrity decides to say,
okay, I'm going to talk about climate
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:change and really make it a thing.
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:And, um, and I'm going to use my
power to change the conversation
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:and also to trigger change of.
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:habits , in the people that follow me.
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:Wouldn't be great and actually when
we come to think of it we have on
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:this podcast We have a couple of
people who are already doing it.
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:I'm thinking of
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:Our friend Hank Rogers who's now
working very very hard To create
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:good and change the conversation and
change trajectory of climate change.
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:Um, I'm also thinking of another guest
that we had, which is an elite runner.
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:You didn't attend this conversation,
but she is a British elite
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:runner living in the States.
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:And, uh, she has published a book, , and,
uh, when we ask her, why do you , decide
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:to, you know, , to tackle this issue
because you were doing great as a runner.
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:And she said, I think that I can
use my platform, my following to.
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:Talk about this very important issue.
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:And so, yeah, so I, I don't know.
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:I just want to have your full on
that topic and well, we wouldn't
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:be here without Seth Godin.
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:Oh, yes, who invented this, you
know, gathered us all together
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:and he wouldn't like that.
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:I say he invented this.
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:Um, but he encouraged this to be born
and And so he's a perfect example
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:of someone who had massive influence
and following in his own circles.
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:He's not, you know, uh, famous like some
celebrities might be, but in his circles
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:and online, he certainly is adored
and followed by literally thousands.
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:Millions probably.
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:And, um, and look what
happened because of that idea.
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:So I think it's a really valid point.
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:And we've had a lot of celebrities
in the past that have done
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:things, social justice things.
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:You know, you think of, um, uh, Jane
Fonda, her whole life, you know, doing
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:Doing things in marches and protests and
that you think of Bono and his social
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:enterprise, especially the restaurant that
is run by people who have, um, been in
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:jail, I think, um, like there are, there
are celebrities who have done really,
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:really important things with their.
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:With their celebrity.
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:And, uh, so climate, yeah,
climate is a good one.
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:Yeah, because especially soccer
players, are they, they have big
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:salaries, but they also have a good
contract to endorse some brands.
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:What if, you know, they could endorse
this clothes instead of endorsing a brand
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:and those clothes, wouldn't it be great?
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:Yeah.
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:And also I found, uh, the sustainability.
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:com Coldplay.
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:I mean, sustainability Coldplay.
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:com.
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:So he has all set up how to create
concerts that are sustainable,
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:are better for our planet.
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:So it's, uh, I guess internally
they, there are some suggestions
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:and, and ways people starting to
talk about how to change things.
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:Talking about how to change
things, but also doing it.
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:I think that Coldplay, when you go
on the website, on the tour website,
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:there's a lot of, um, um, explanations.
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:About how they're doing things
differently, and you shared a
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:link with us, and I'm just going
to have a look at it again.
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:So they, they have, um, they
have like a disclosure of the
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:sustainability principles.
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:Yeah, and also, I guess,
but there are two ways.
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:One is to change the behaviors, their
own behaviors, and the way they, uh, Uh,
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:organize and, uh, prepare their concerts.
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:But I think what you said about the soccer
player, uh, that it's also important
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:they talk about it to their fans, not
only internally, but also externally.
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:So, yeah, we have a, um, Canadian
singer named Jan Arden, um, who's, um,
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:you know, had, had a long career and
she is currently actually, in fact,
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:tomorrow, the day after we record this,
she has mobilized her fan base to, uh,
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:stand against the export of horses.
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:Uh, out of the country for meat.
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:Um, there's a whole bunch of
horses get sent from Canada across
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:the world to be used as meat.
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:And, uh, and she's so passionate
about this and her fan base.
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:is rallying with her and she's got
merchandise and she's got petitions going
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:and, you know, she's got big influence.
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:Um, and so I think celebrities using
their influence for something they're
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:passionate about to change in the
world is, is a really good way to go.
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:But at the same time, I think it's.
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:It's um, it's difficult for celebrities
to totally change things because if we go
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:back to the Coldplay case, there actually
have been some very harsh articles.
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:, I'm going to share this with you,
but there's, um, there's an article,
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:um, in the Guardian and the British
newspaper that says , that because
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:uh, they have a deal with an oil
company, um, they label Coldplay as,
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:um, as useful idiots for greenwashing.
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:Because , this oil
company is using palm oil.
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:And I don't know if you
remember the conversation that
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:we had with another guest.
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:Well, it's not to have lots
of conversation, I guess,
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:but, um, who explains that?
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:Yeah.
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:Well, cause palm oil is less.
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:I don't know if it's a word for that,
less bad than, like, um, than, um,
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:than fossil fuel oil, but at the
same time you have to think of the
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:whole thing and, the big picture.
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:The question also, , if we use palm
oil, what's the fertilizer that has been
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:used , because probably the fertilizer
that's been used , to plant those
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:palm oil or, , to plant these palm
trees are probably not , from natural
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:sources, but probably from fossil fuels.
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:And so.
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:The point is of this article is say,
okay, you cannot just go easy and say,
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:okay, I'm doing this because I'm have
this partnership with this company.
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:And, uh, because they're using palm
oil, therefore this is sustainable.
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:And so this is why this, this
article label cold place as useful.
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:It is for brainwashing.
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:So it's difficult.
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:I think it is because no matter what
you do it, there's going to be some.
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:Um, area of that someone will criticize,
you know, like, I mean, if they want to
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:go play a concert, they have to get on a
plane or bring multiple semi trailers full
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:of their set to whatever arena they're
going to like that, you know, to get
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:the message out to the people, they're
still going to have to be doing things
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:that are damaging to the environment.
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:And so I think it doesn't, it
doesn't matter what they do.
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:There's going to be some.
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:Alternate voice, right?
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:I think that sometimes,
there's greenwashing just for
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:the pure act of greenwashing.
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:But I think sometimes they're
also greenwashing because, because
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:there's a lack of understanding.
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:This happens all the time.
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:It just came across a company that sells
diamond and, , because, you know, diamond
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:it's, um, it's comes from extraction.
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:And so , they're selling this zero
carbon, diamond fine, great.
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:But at the same time, there's
a certificate based on NFT.
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:I was like, oh my god.
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:NFT, yeah, well, there's nothing physical,
but to make it run, um, to make the NFT
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:run, it requires a lot of electricity.
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:So how can you say that this diamond
is on one hand, Carbon neutral.
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:And on the other hand, , you
can deliver an NFT certificate.
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:This is, and I think it's, it's, you know
it's a, it's, um, it's greenwashing by
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:misunderstanding or by lack of knowledge,
you know, they put items in green bottles
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:and say, you know, Enter clean energy
clean or something, you know, whatever
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:they'll put some name that sounds amazing
And then you actually read the ingredients
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:and think hmm First of all, it's in a
plastic bottle second of all Where did
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:it come from third of all what is in it?
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:Yeah, yeah, it's complicated.
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:This is really complicated and maybe
Just focusing for people who have the
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:voice, they can spread the message.
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:Uh, also just at least focus
on sharing some information.
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:, and also what they are, they stand
for because people look at them
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:and they want to be like them, so.
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:And I think nobody's perfect and
nobody's going to get it 100 percent
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:right, and we're not, we're not
suggesting that any of us do it right.
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:Yeah, we're not, we're not environmental
police or something, or climate police.
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:So, so, but, but I think the point of,
you know, somebody who has incredible
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:influence, like we mentioned when we
were planning this, um, like Taylor
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:Swift, who, you know, she puts out,
um, One little message and everybody
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:instantly does what she puts out, right?
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:Because she's got such influence.
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:Um, you know, she, she could
make a huge amount of difference.
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:Yeah, well, but at the same time there
would be people that say, Yeah, well,
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:but she's a hypocrite because at the same
time she's doing this and this and this.
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:So that's really difficult.
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:Yeah.
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:Right.
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:But I mean, if, if she was mobilizing
millions of people to take some kind
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:of action, like go out when you go to
a walk on a walk and pick up garbage,
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:like it doesn't matter what it is.
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:She, she has the potential to make
a huge difference in some aspect of
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:helping the climate, even if it's.
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:It's not perfect because to maintain her
company and all the hundreds of people
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:she employs and all the stuff, her, her
whole organization, yeah, she needs to
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:get on planes and she needs to have like
multiple tractor trailers full of stuff
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:to drag her fancy stages everywhere.
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:I've been to one of our concerts
and they're quite a spectacle.
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:But she has the potential.
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:to, to do some, something.
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:Yeah, I think she already used that during
the voting, , to bring people to vote.
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:So, maybe she can do the
same thing for climate.
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:So, I think, something we could do also,
I mean, we, like, people in general,
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:we could be just a little bit gentler.
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:Because it's, it's very
important to acknowledge that we
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:cannot be 100 percent perfect.
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:And, um, so, a little bit
gentler and, um, tolerant.
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:With people like, um, celebrities,
, and also acknowledge that they
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:have constraints, as you said, they
have a company to run and, uh, in
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:order to perform and in order to
deliver this level of, um, Of shows
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:and you said that you went to one
of the show and it's fantastic.
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:She has to do something.
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:So, yeah, just acknowledge that
Peek A Boo cannot be perfect.
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:And, um, I'm trying to,
to not finger point.
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:That's, that's hard because it's so easy,
but I try very hard not to finger point.
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:No, but it also, it also is a good
point that when somebody has that much
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:influence and that much of a platform,
um, is it self serving or are they doing
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:something for others and for the world?
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:And I think that there are a lot
of celebrities that are doing
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:things for people and helping.
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:Um, you know, I'm thinking of the
number of hockey players that, um,
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:just in our local area that support,
um, I think it's called Canuck Place.
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:And it's, the Canucks are, It's an
unfortunate hockey team at the moment,
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:but they're not doing very well right now.
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:Um, but there's a place called Canuck
Place and, um, it's a place that,
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:um, there's two places and I can't
remember which is which, but one of
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:them is where families can stay when
they have to come to the cancer, uh,
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:the children's hospital, um, where,
because the families want to be nearby.
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:Uh, if they've come from miles and miles
and miles away to be with their children
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:and it's a place that they can stay.
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:, while their Children are hospitalized,
, so there's, there's lots of people doing
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:a lot of good things with their celebrity
and with the money that they're making.
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:And sometimes we never hear, but
it's the ones that have such a big
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:platform that it would be nice if they.
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:We're able to do more of that and jump
a little bit onto the climate bandwagon.
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:Yeah.
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:And the money doesn't have
to be involved in that.
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:They can just speak, , about it and
have some information and suggestions.
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:But, so, but I think that because, um,
the climate and environmental question
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:is so complex, that's, We and again
we as in like, you know, I'm not I'm
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:not saying anybody in particular but
we expect people to be all in and And
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:it's very difficult when you know, the
example that you just shared Jen about
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:this hockey player in this house for
children, for the family of the children.
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:It's one simple action.
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:, and there's no particular like,
um, links with other areas,
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:you know, you can do that.
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:And then your fans will not, you
know, , call you out greenwashing.
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:Whereas if celebrities like,
like, She does one thing.
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:It's very easy to say, Oh,
well, she's greenwashing.
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:Yeah.
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:Well,
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:Leonardo DiCaprio, right,
is quite a climate activist.
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:, um, I was going to say that he's
now a king, the king of England.
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:Um, you know, uh, people
like, um, Greta Thunberg.
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:Well, again, the king of England,
he's an environmentalist and,
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:um, and climate activist.
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:He recently visited France.
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:And he took his private jet,
and he got criticized for that.
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:Well, I know it's so it's, it's a
tight, it's a tight spot to be in.
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:I think in that way, because you're going
to get criticized no matter what you
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:do, but at least you're doing something.
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:You know, not that I'm the biggest
fan, but just, just, you know, like,
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:I, I appreciate that there are people
who have such, um, such influence
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:and such ability to, to speak.
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:To the world who are actually doing it,
you know, Meryl Streep is, is another one.
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:Um, Prince Harry has been doing stuff.
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:Um, Mark Ruffalo, like there's a lot of
names of people who we know we've seen
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:them and they're doing, um, they're doing
what they can in the way that they can.
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:Maybe they can do more, but
I mean, we're not done, so.
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:That's why I think we should be more
gentle and be more tolerant of people
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:that are doing, and appreciative, I think,
of the people that are doing things.
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:And it would be wonderful if on the
news they would have a segment about
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:all these wonderful things famous
people are doing for climate or
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:other people or other places, water.
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:Thank you.
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:Yeah, to let people know, they
just know their fame and, and,
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:uh, their movies and concerts.
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:But I think most people don't
know what they're really doing
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:in the, on their off time.
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:Well, probably you also, it's
also, it's also a little bit
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:of a delicate dance, right?
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:Because you don't want to be,
Ooh, look at what I'm doing,
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:right?
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:I mean.
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:Maybe some of them are doing
it quietly because they're
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:really passionate about it.
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:Um, and maybe some of them are
doing it more publicly to try and
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:get other people involved because
they're also passionate about it.
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:It's, I'm not a celebrity.
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:So I don't know.
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:But, but I do admire people
that at least put in the effort.
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:The real effort, not
the greenwashing effort.
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:Okay.
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:Not pretend.
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:Because, we are appreciative and,
um, maybe, you know, one of the
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:celebrities, one of your favorite
celebrities is listening to this podcast.
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:And so if they're listening, what's
the message that you have for them
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:and what do you want them to do?
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:Like, you know, think of a celebrity.
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:I've been thinking about
it since this morning.
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:I haven't found it, but I'll, so you
go first and then I'll keep thinking.
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:What would you say, Christina?
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:What would you tell them?
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:Uh, I think I would tell them to,
uh, start creating something they're
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:passionate about and they have skills
in, uh, like a documentary or a song
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:or a music that is, uh, that has
very specific direction towards,
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:uh, climate change and information.
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:That's what I would say.
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:Do you have a name in particular?
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:Do you think of someone in particular?
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:Um, I think, no, I cannot, I I
cannot think of anybody to tell
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:them, but whoever listens, anybody.
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:So if you're a celebrity out there
and listening to this podcast,
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:yeah, please enjoy and create a
new song and new documentary or a
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:little new game, whatever it is.
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:Uh, with the theme to inform
and talk about climate change.
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:Mm hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:And I would, I would think that
would be, um, a great place to start.
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:And also if there are people that,
you know, follow you and admire you
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:and do whatever you invite them to
do, then you've got huge influence to
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:be able to invite people to take some
kind of action in their own context.
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:Right.
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:Um, invite people to do like
regular people like us to just do
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:something that makes a difference.
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:And, uh, uh, I think, I think
there's the ability to mobilize
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:a large number of people.
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:If, um, if you explain why you love
it, what you're passionate about
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:and make it fun, you know, use
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:I saw a new hashtag today.
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:Oh, great outfit of the day.
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:O O T D or something, old outfit, O O O
T D and I hadn't seen it before and it
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:was an online influencer who went to her
closet, found something, put it together
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:in a new way and labeled it old outfit of
the day and I thought, that is brilliant.
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:So, so have some fun with it too.
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:Okay Leaky, our turn.
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:I'm thinking of the Obamas,
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:the Obamas, because, um, I just came
across, uh, um, a video on Instagram,
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:a story on Instagram of Michelle Obama,
um, interviewed by, what's her name?
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:Um, Drew Barrymore.
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:Drew Barrymore has a, has a talk show now.
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:And so she was interviewed by Drew
Barrymore and she was talking about.
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:being grateful and, and, um,
acknowledging enoughness.
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:Because , we have been told that we
could be happy by hoarding things,
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:by getting things we don't have.
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:And we don't necessarily want.
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:And I think that this talk from, from
Michelle Obama was very interesting
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:because she was I can't even remember
the example, but she was saying that
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:she was taught by her father since
she was a child that, you know, Oh,
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:if you eat a pizza, be grateful.
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:You know, this is enough.
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:Don't want something
that you don't have now.
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:And I think this is the, model that
a lot of, um, celebrities should.
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:share, like this is a
great message, but okay.
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:I understand that it's very difficult
because, um, it's very difficult to, to,
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:share this kind of message because no
brands will sponsor you for saying that.
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:Yeah.
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:But who knows?
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:Well, that's . Yeah, it's the whole
thing of abundance versus lack, right?
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:We, we always look at what we lack.
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:And I've been thinking about this
because, you know, I'm, I'm preparing
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:for a Thanksgiving message, Canadian
Thanksgiving this Sunday, and I'm
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:preparing for my message on abundance
and lack and gratitude, and talking
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:about how When we practice gratitude,
our brain, our neural pathways rewire
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:and look at what we already have and
what's going well rather than what we
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:don't have and what isn't going well.
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:And, and we often operate on a, uh,
you know, on a, on that system of lack.
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:Well, if I only had X, then I
would be happier if I only had
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:that, or if I only had that item.
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:Right.
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:And it's a trained thing.
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:And if we can untrain ourselves by,
by practicing, being grateful for what
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:we do have in this beautiful world
that we live on this planet that we
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:live on, um, then maybe we would feel
happier and look after it better.
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:This is the message , I would share
to Michelle Obama, if she's listening
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:to a podcast, uh, that, you know,
do more of this, but at the same
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:time acknowledge that sometimes
you don't do things perfectly.
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:And this is a very powerful message
saying that I'm trying to do this.
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:It's not perfect, but it's a first step.
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even if it's imperfect, do it.
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