Episode 146

From Good News to Sharing and Co-Owning

Episode Summary: Tune in with hosts Leekei, Jenn, and Kristina as they share good news related to climate change around the world.

Initiatives covered include:

  • plastic collection initiative in Bali by Gary Benchegib
  • public water fountains in Minneapolis
  • fashion repair scheme in France
  • EPR Extended Producer’s Responsibility in the EU
  • ‘buy nothing groups’ and ‘fix-it-fair’ in Canada
  • the ‘Right to Repair Act’ in California

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Featuring Carbon Almanac Contributors Leekei Tang and Jenn Swanson.

Leekei is a fashion business founder, a business coach, an international development expert and podcaster from Paris, France. 

From Langley in British Columbia, Canada, Jenn is a Minister, Coach, Writer and community Connector, helping people help themselves. 

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The CarbonSessions Podcast is produced and edited by Leekei Tang, Steve Heatherington and Rob Slater.

Transcript
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Hi, I'm Christina.

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I'm from Prague.

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Hi, I'm Jen, and I'm from Canada.

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Hi, I'm Oladunji, and I'm from Nigeria.

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Hello, I'm Liki, and I live in Paris.

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Hi, I'm Brian, and I'm from New York.

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Welcome to Carbon Sessions.

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A podcast with Carbon Conversations

for every day with everyone

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from everywhere in the world.

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In our conversations, we share ideas,

perspectives, questions, and things we

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So don't be shy and join our Carbon

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Hi, I'm Liki.

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Hi, I'm Christina.

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Hi, I'm Jen.

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So what are we talking about today?

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Good news.

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Yeah.

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Good news.

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Good news.

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We love good news.

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Right?

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Who doesn't love good news?

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So for this conversation, our

assignment was to come to this

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discussion with some good news to share.

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Who wants to start?

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I'll start.

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Good.

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I got all excited a while ago about the

cleaning the plastic from the oceans.

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And, uh, Thank you.

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I heard about two guys,

Boyan Slat and Caleb Cruz.

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I think Boyan is very famous

in this cleanup plastic idea,

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and he is very successful.

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He has a company called Ocean Cleanup,

and I think he started when he was 17.

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So I'm very excited about young

people doing something and

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really making a difference.

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And the other one is also...

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For cleaning plastic from the rivers

so the plastic wouldn't go in the

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ocean and it was founded in 2020.

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I think there are three siblings, Gary,

Kelly, and Sam, and they collected

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1 million kilograms of plastic.

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They created, they used the

barriers in the rivers in Indonesia

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and I think there are up to 1,

000 barriers in their company.

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Uh, called Sungai Watch.

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So those are my good news and it

feels really good that young people

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are not only thinking of ideas but

having success and really doing things.

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So that's my good news.

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Those two organizations, are

they both working in Indonesia?

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The one, uh, the Sungai Watch

is in Indonesia and I think...

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Uh, the ocean cleanup, they

are not in the Indonesia.

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I thought they were in Africa, but I

am not 100 percent sure, but definitely

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they figured out first what they

wanted to do is clean up all these

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islands of plastic in the ocean.

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And so they figured out

what's really going on.

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It's not just the big cruise ship,

which, yes, there are problems.

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But.

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That's not where the most

plastic was coming in.

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It was coming in from the rivers.

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And I think they started an African

continent, but I might be wrong.

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Yeah, so basically they're creating

dams, floating dams, so it catches all

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the plastic and garbage and collecting

it so it doesn't come into the ocean.

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On YouTube they have

these beautiful videos.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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So they stop the plastic before they,

they pollute , the oceans, right?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Because everything is connected.

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That's great.

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What do they do with that after?

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I wonder.

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I wonder.

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Yeah.

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That's for another kid.

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That's the word for another kid.

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Yeah, that, that reminds me of, um,

another conversation that we had about

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good news that we had with Ola Banji.

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And he was sharing the initiative of,

um, Gary Benjigrib, something like

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that, I'm sorry if I'm sure, I'm sure

that I didn't say his name right, but

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it's also in Bali, and he's, um, so

Obenji say that he was collecting flip

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flops on the beach and made fences

with the flip flops, but then recently,

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Then recently, because I followed this

guy on Instagram, I saw him building

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houses, actually, no, just one house

out of plastics that he has collected

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from the, from the, from the ocean.

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So I think it is, you

know, I think that's him.

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Gary Van Henship.

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Yes.

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So we're talking about the same guy.

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Yeah, that's him.

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Those are the guys from Indonesia.

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, and that's awesome.

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It's all connected.

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Amazing.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm sorry.

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I didn't, I didn't realize I was

the same guy you were talking about.

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Yeah, that's great.

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That's good.

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Well, riffing off of, um, plastic,

I was recently at a conference

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in, um, Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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And one of the things that I noticed

in traveling, cause I haven't

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traveled for work for a long time.

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But one of the things I noticed was that

in both the airports I was at and the

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convention center I was at, um, I noticed

water bottle refill stations installed.

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Many of them.

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You didn't have to look very far

to find one in any of the places.

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And what I like on them,

they're, I don't know if you've

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seen them, they're automatic.

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You put your bottle underneath and

the water runs in, and then it counts.

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It counts your water bottle as one

of a number that has saved plastic

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bottles from going into the landfill.

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So the one I was at, uh, said something

like 320, 000 something was the number,

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you know, but it's always fun to see

what number you get to, um, and so

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that was, that was really good to know.

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And I'm really glad I

took my bottle with me.

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And was able to use it on the plane

and, and everywhere so that I didn't

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have to take the little cups of

water they hand out because I'm, you

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know, trying to avoid more plastic.

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Hmm.

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Sounds great.

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So that was good news.

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Yeah.

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It's good news.

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Well, okay.

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This is something you probably knew, but.

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In Paris, there are fountains everywhere

and they have been around for maybe

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150 years, so it's, it's great that

it's going in Minneapolis, but it's

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been in Paris for a long, long time.

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You know, I watched a video all about

that once, all about the fountains

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in Paris, and it was spectacular.

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I was so impressed.

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And wish that that would move

to other parts of the world.

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Oh, can you share the link to that video?

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Because I would love to watch that.

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Yes, I will have to find it.

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But I think it was, um, yeah,

I think I know where it is.

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So I would love to see it.

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Because I'm so used to it that I feel

lost when I don't have it in other cities.

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Because it's, uh, I won't

even say it's in France.

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, you know, , last year, I went to Lille,

which is in the northern part of France.

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Um, I run, and one of the things I

really enjoy, I mean, I, one of the

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things I need is to drink when I run.

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And um, in Paris, I have my, you

know, I know exactly where I run,

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I know exactly where the fountains

are, and it's very smooth, and, and

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I feel safe, because I'm very...

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I panic when I, when I

think I have no water.

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But then when I go just in Lille,

which is still in France, I couldn't

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find as many fountains as in Paris.

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And I was like, wow, why can't the

rest of the world be like Paris?

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Exactly.

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And I, I don't know, it might've been

that down to earth series with Zac Efron.

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Yeah, I think that's it.

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Do you know?

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Yep.

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That's it.

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Not that series, it's called Down to

Earth, and it's, , they, he goes around

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exploring, , different elements in

different places, and I think, I think

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it was that one, um, that's the video.

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It's a series, I believe, on Netflix

called Down to Earth, and it's all

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about environmental, , uh, initiatives

around the world and things that

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people might not know about.

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Mm, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I love that story about Paris.

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For me, the most important part was

how they treat the water because they

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don't use chemicals to treat the water.

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And that one I wish would

be all over the world.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they used, uh, I think light.

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Yeah, it was very, um, eye

opening to watch, I remember.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I need to watch this and

find out what kind of water I

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drink because I have no idea.

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Very healthy one.

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Okay, great.

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Okay.

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I'd like to share my, my take on good

news for this week and, , , this is

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something I've been waiting for, for a

long time, for, well, actually not for a

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long time, since I've read this , , um,

this new scheme and I was waiting for it

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to be implemented, which is, um, scheme

to help reduce fashion waste in France.

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That is , a great thing because, um, as

you know, fashion, we're consuming more

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and more items of fashion and, , we are

keeping them um, for half as long as

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before, there's a McKinsey study about it.

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And so to tackle the issue of fashion

waste, so there's this scheme that,

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that gives us subsidy for, for you,

the consumer to repair your clothes

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or your shoes that are worn out.

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So you bring it to your local repair shop.

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One of the problem is that you never know

where to go when you have something that

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is, that it has a hole in it, and, um,

you don't know how to mend it, and then

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when you find someone It's very expensive.

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So that is great because it's um, it's

helping this culture to, you know, to,

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uh, encourages this culture of repair.

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And I guess it's also helped promote

this kind of small businesses.

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So I think it's a win win situation.

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And I've been really waiting for

this because I have a few pairs

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of shoes that needs to be resold.

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And, um, and so I've been waiting for

it to, because, um, yeah, I think I

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don't want to throw them away, and, um,

those are very good shoes, and I just

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want to replace the sole, uh, but then,

um, then I have, I think, three or four

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pairs, and so I was waiting for this

scheme to be implemented, so it started

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in October, so now I'm going to Look

for the businesses, the small cobblers

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that can help me do the repair my shoes.

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And so , that's the piece of good

news that I wanted to share with you.

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And though I dig a little deeper in

that scheme, and I, well, I realized,

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not that I realized, but I somehow

forgot that the European Union has

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pioneered In the, what is called the

EPR, which is the extended producer

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responsibility, which is a environmental

policy that shifts the responsibility

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of a product lifecycle to the producer.

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So basically when you design something as

a producer, you have to think of how you

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cover the whole lifecycle and especially

what to do at the end of life cycle.

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You know, this is the

responsibility of the producer.

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And so, Europe has pioneered in

that, in that environmental law.

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And so basically, there's some products,

when you buy this, you pay a little

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bit extra, and that goes to a fund that

takes care of its afterlife after use.

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And so I think this is great.

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That's excellent.

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Yeah.

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That is excellent.

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And actually, when I say that Europe

has pioneered, because this has

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been extended to other countries,

I think, like in the US and Canada

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and other parts of the world.

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So that is great.

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And um, , you know, the repair stuff has

been extended to other parts of the world.

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And, um, just recently, just this

in October, a new bill has passed

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in California, which is the, uh,

the right to repair act, I think.

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And, um, And this, this time it tackles

electronic devices because, ho, ho, I

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think we consume way too much, uh way

too many electronic devices and, um, and

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it's because it's become so cheap . and

this is what, uh, it comes back to what

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I was saying earlier, you know, when you

need to repair something, you never know

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where to do, where to repair the stuff.

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And so it's so easy and

so cheap to buy a new one.

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And, um, Yeah, I noticed that, you

know, everything old is new again.

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I mean, it used to be that you repaired

things and, and we used to get laughed

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at because we would, we would go over

Christmas years ago to my in laws

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and we would take all the socks and

things that we had that needed fixing.

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We would sit.

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visiting and watching, you know, drinking

tea and watching Christmas shows.

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And we would sit there fixing

our stuff and they would say,

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why don't you just get new ones?

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Yes.

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But we used to fix things.

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And that was just a funny little

thing, but we get laughed at by

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everybody for doing it, but it's

good if it's becomes more normalized.

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We have things around here called, um,

uh, what is it like a, a fix it fair.

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Where people who are good at fixing things

will gather and people who have things

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that need fixing will come and The people

that know how to fix it will teach the

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people who need it fixed how to do it

And I think the money goes to charity.

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So it's a fix it fair where Where

where everybody benefits because

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people who know how to take things

apart and put them back together so

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they work can help those who don't.

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And then, uh, often things

go home working again.

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And I think it's brilliant.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's wonderful.

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Over here, we have things that we have

places that are called, uh, Repair Cafe.

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And I think it's the same principle.

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You just go there and then there

are people that, that can help you.

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And there are also classes.

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So I look at the program of the

Repair Cafe in my neighborhood.

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There's one that teaches you how

to, oh, I don't know how to say it.

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Um, say it in friend.

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Okay.

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Du electronic parts.

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Um, well, solder solder.

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Just solder solder when you, when

you melt the, uh, the metal thing?

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Yes.

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Solder.

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Yes, solder.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So that's a, that was, um, this

week is, this is this solder

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thing, but I can't That's cool.

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Pretend, but I would love to Little

soldering iron and you melt the.

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The stick of, uh, of metal, metal

and yeah, I think it's great, but,

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but I can't attend, but it's just

great to know that this thing exists.

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Yeah, it really is.

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But I'd like to just go back a minute

to the, the low air in California , I

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mentioned earlier, and then.

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This law is very interesting because,

um, it enforces, it forces manufacturers,

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electronic devices manufacturers,

to make the documentation and tools

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for repair available to everyone.

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Because before that, , they didn't

want to make it available to everyone

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because they say, oh, well, this is, um.

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This, the ip, we want to protect that.

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But in reality, what happened is

that they want to protect the, uh,

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the, the economic, um, , it's part

of the business model to make things

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difficult and expensive to repair.

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, , so now that this, this new law,

they have to make the documentation

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and tool available to everyone.

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So there's more.

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Competition.

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And then as a consumer, you have access

and you have a larger choice of where you

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take your electronic device for repair.

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So that is, I think

that's, um, that is great.

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Is that the same thing as, you know,

you've heard of planned obsolescence?

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Yes, of course.

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Is that the same thing or

is that, is that different?

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Um, I think planned obsolescence

is, um, is, um, product design

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strategy, which is not very good.

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And, um, and I think no manufacturer

would, would, um, would say that

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they're doing it because it's, yeah.

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So, so it's not the same thing, but I

bet a lot of them are doing it because.

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I don't know.

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Um, I have, um, I have a

blender that was from my uncle

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when he got married in 80, 82.

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Yeah.

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Still working.

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I have a still working.

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I have a wok that was given

to me in as a present in:

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Yeah.

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An electric wok.

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And there's absolutely

nothing wrong with this thing.

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It's great.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So Plus, we should say what

planned obsolescence is.

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It's when, um, when, when it's a plan

that the device or the appliance that

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you buy is only going to last for a

certain length of time, rather than,

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you know, in, in the olden times,

I'm thinking of sewing machines.

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You'd buy a sewing machine

and nothing would last.

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It would be passed down,

you know, in the family.

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And, and now, uh, you buy a sewing

machine, and very often, uh,

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they're, they're needing great

repair in a couple of years, and,

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and it's very, very different kind

of manufacturing than it used to be.

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It's all plastic and electronic

now, where it used to be,

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you know, heavy, solid metal.

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Yes.

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Maybe, maybe we can create new

culturally acceptable repair parties.

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So I love your story about the socks,

like get people getting together

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because I know a few years ago there

were knitting circles in the U.

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S.

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So maybe we can do repair

circles, repair the sock circle.

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Yeah, when you were talking about the

clothing, um, I never thought of it

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connecting clothing and electronics,

but really, the, now we buy phones

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like accessories, like socks or shirts.

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It's amazing.

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Yeah.

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It's, uh, maybe we should stop and think.

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I mean, definitely when you look at

the iPhones, there's one, I don't

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know, every year or every two years.

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Every year.

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I mean, I don't know.

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There's a new system here, I don't know,

that I just found out about from one

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of our kids, where you can actually,

you're basically renting it for two

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years and you give it back, and then

they give you another one, um, and then

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they refurbish the one that you've given

back and rent it out again or sell it.

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So it's, you're not stuck with something

that you're, you know, not that I've

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ever changed a phone two years in.

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But I thought it was an interesting

new solution to maybe reduce

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some of that landfill waste.

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Yes.

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I was listening to, um, to the

radio the other day and they were

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talking exactly about the same thing.

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You know, when you have a baby and

you have special equipment to deal

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with, you know, all this stuff, the,

the clothes, but not, not the clothes,

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but you know, the food preparation.

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And there was this lady was telling

the audience that she, instead of.

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Of buying the thing to, the device

to make baby food that costs, I don't

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know, something over a thousand euros.

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She rent it for a fee every

month because she doesn't need

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to, to, to have it, to own it.

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And she just needs to use it for

a while, just for a while, for

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the duration of the baby needs.

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And so, that's very exciting.

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That's, you know, there's the

swift in mentality and um, And

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probably business will follow.

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My daughter who, who's, um, little

one is now two, she was in a,

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she's in a friend group and this

friend group shares everything.

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So when, um, when the baby was born,

a whole bunch of that equipment

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that's only used for a very short

amount of time was borrowed.

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Um, and given to her and then she

has now passed on huge amounts of it

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and given a lot of it away on a buy

nothing group, um, and shared it.

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And, and so it's interesting because

there's a whole group of them having

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babies and, and the stuff is going

from one house to the next, to the

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next, because nobody needs to buy.

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This, you know, I just learned about a

thing that's basically the same thing as

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a Keurig only it's for formula I'd never

heard of it before But it's a it's a thing

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that you put a puck in and my daughter

didn't have this but someone else in the

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in the family Group has it and you you put

it in and it makes the water at exactly

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the right temperature right into a bottle

That's perfect for for a baby to drink.

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So you're not putting things in, you know

They've got glass bottles, which is good.

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But I'd never heard of this thing

before, and it's a new invention, and

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it probably costs hundreds of dollars.

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Yeah, I don't know, I never looked,

I sort of went, oh, cause you know, I

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feel like I'm totally out of this realm

of, um, all the stuff you need for New

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babies, because it's all different,

but, um, but that sort of took me aback.

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And I thought, Oh my goodness, I never

heard of this or thought of this.

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Of course somebody thought of it.

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I mean, how long do you need

something like that for?

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And anyway, who knows?

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New things, right?

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So, I just appreciate that these things

are being shared around, like bought

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once, kept in good condition, and then

are shared around amongst a whole group

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of people, so that not all six or seven

of them are buying the same thing, right?

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Yes.

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That's perfect.

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Reminds me of co housing, where

they share guest rooms and a large

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kitchen if they have a party, or,

or a shop with the tools, yeah.

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Yeah, which there is one

in I remember in Vancouver.

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There is a small development where

they had all this There's quite a few

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co housing places and people people

building more and more all the yes.

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Yeah, he's sharing But I think,

you know, I think this exercise has

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shown that , if we decide to look

at good news, we'll find good news.

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So Initially, I thought I'll call to

action for today would be Oh pay attention

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to good news, but then there probably has

moved into Sharing and co owning stuff.

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That's all good news.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Good news is mentality shifting.

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Thanks, Liki.

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Thanks for the idea.

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Thanks, Christina.

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